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Why Reverse Mortgages Have 2 Notes & 2 Trust Deeds — The 150% Rule Explained

Michael G. Branson, CEO of All Reverse Mortgage
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Cliff Auerswald, President of All Reverse Mortgage
President · All Reverse Mortgage Inc.
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Borrowers often experience confusion as they approach the final step of signing their reverse mortgage documents. They are introduced to a First and Second Trust Deed Note and Two Deeds of Trust (or mortgages, depending on the applicable state laws for the property).

Complicating matters, the amounts specified in the Note and Deed of Trust can be substantially higher than the amount the borrowers agreed to borrow. This discrepancy has led some borrowers to hesitate or even refuse to sign the closing documents, primarily because they were not previously informed of the existence of multiple documents and the discrepancies in the stated amounts.

In this article, we aim to clarify the rationale for the requirement of two deeds and two notes in the reverse mortgage process. Understanding the need for multiple documents and the rationale for the differing amounts can significantly ease borrowers’ concerns.

Continue reading to explore the intricacies of these requirements and how they serve to protect the interests of all parties involved in a reverse mortgage transaction.

Why reverse mortgages have 2 notes and 2 trust deeds explained

How Reverse Mortgages Are Recorded

When reading the manual on reverse mortgages, HUD explains that every reverse mortgage shall have both a First and Second Note, and while the borrower does not have to receive a copy of the Second Note before closing, its existence and relationship should be fully explained to the borrower (and thus this explanation to you).

The Second Note is not a separate loan encumbering the property as a traditional first and second loan. Instead, it secures any payments HUD makes to the borrower under the borrower’s reverse mortgage. It “picks up,” if you will, where payments to the borrower, or on the borrower’s behalf, by the lender left off, and where HUD payments begin.

HUD Uses the Second Note for Your Protection

HUD can step into a reverse mortgage in a couple of instances and may advance funds on the borrower’s behalf. If the lender cannot make payments under the Loan Agreement, HUD would step in to ensure the borrower is paid.

When a lender becomes insolvent, and borrowers rely on their reverse mortgage funds, HUD steps in and pays those funds to borrowers. This is one reason reverse mortgages carry insurance.

HUD requires lenders to assign loans to them when the loan-to-value ratio reaches 95%. From then on, HUD would make all future advances to the borrowers and may sometimes have to advance funds for taxes or insurance.

The second Note and Deed of Trust ensure that HUD’s position is protected in these circumstances, allowing it to continue making any necessary advances to borrowers without the security it could not otherwise obtain.

HUD Handbook 4235.1 excerpt explaining two deeds of trust requirement

How the HECM Note & Deed Are Calculated

Next is the issue of the loan amount listed on the documents. HUD does not require a maximum mortgage amount to be stated on the mortgage because no payments are required. Many reverse mortgages include growth features in the available lines, and the balance owed increases when borrowers make no payments.

However, most states require that an amount be stated on the documents, creating a dilemma for HUD. They cannot simply state the beginning balance, as is the case with a typically amortizing loan, or where a borrower’s borrowing power may increase with a growth rate on the line of credit, or no amounts higher than this balance could be advanced to or on behalf of the borrower.

In cases such as tenure loans (payments for life), where borrowers live in the home longer than the anticipated timeframe, this would result in an abrupt stoppage of payments, which would be unsuitable for borrowers who rely on those monthly payments to live. Also, as with a line of credit that grows over time on the unused portion, HUD states that a maximum amount set at the beginning balance would prevent borrowers from using the line’s growth balance.

For this reason, the amount you will see on the Note and Deed (or Mortgage) will equal 150% of the Maximum Claim Amount, the total value of the property, or the HECM Lending Limit, whichever is less.

For example, if your home is worth $200,000, then the amount on the Deed would be $300,000 ($200,000 x 150%). If your home is worth $800,000, the amount on the Deed would currently be $1,200,000, and if your home value were to be at or above the current lending limit of $1,249,125, the amount on the deed would be $1,249,125 x 150%.

Bottom Line: You Only Owe What You Borrow

This concept is the same as a Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC). When you close the loan, you sign documents for the entire amount. Still, you only have to repay the amount you borrow plus interest on that amount, not the entire line, if you use only some of it. The key difference is that with a reverse mortgage, there is an additional Note and Deed if HUD must also advance funds.

But it’s still the same — you only repay what you borrow plus the fees and interest that you financed (and any funds that the lender or HUD have to advance on your behalf, such as taxes, insurance, etc., if those are not paid in a timely manner).

So these are the things you need to know about reverse mortgage documents before it’s time to sign:

  1. There will be 2 Notes and 2 Deeds of Trust (or Mortgages).
  2. They do not secure a First and Second Lien. The second Note and Deed secure only any advances HUD may make to you after the lender stops and HUD begins.
  3. The loan amount on the documents will either be blank, total 150% of your property value or 150% of the HUD Lending Limit, whichever is less, depending on the state in which you live and their laws affecting the mortgage documents, but if an amount is stated, it will be higher than the amount of cash you are receiving at the close.

Regardless of the amount stated on the loan documents, just like HELOC documents, you only owe what you borrow plus applicable interest, mortgage insurance, financing fees, and any amounts the lender or HUD has to advance on your behalf.

You will receive a sample copy of the Note, the Deed of Trust, or the Mortgage and Security Agreement in your loan package. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask so that you are not surprised at your closing.

Top FAQs

Q.

Why are there two deeds of trust on a reverse mortgage?

A reverse mortgage has two deeds of trust because it involves two parties. One secures the amount owed to the lender. The second secures any funds that HUD may advance on your behalf.

HUD insures the HECM program. If they ever have to step in and pay property charges like taxes or insurance for you, those advances are tracked separately. That is why you see two documents. It is simply a matter of how the loan is structured and insured.

Q.

Who holds the deed on a reverse mortgage?

You do.

A reverse mortgage does not transfer ownership to the lender. Your name stays on the title just like it would with any other mortgage. The lender records a lien against the property to secure repayment, but you remain the owner.

Q.

Does a reverse mortgage have a note?

Yes. In fact, there are two notes.

The first note is between you and the lender. The second note relates to HUD’s insurance backing. The HUD note would only increase if HUD had to advance funds on your behalf. For example, if property taxes or insurance were unpaid and HUD intervened, those amounts would be added to the HUD account.

Most borrowers never see activity on the second note. It exists because the loan is federally insured.

Q.

Can you transfer the deed if you have a reverse mortgage?

Yes, but there are important rules.

You can add someone to the title. You can remove someone from title. The loan remains in place as long as at least one original borrower remains on title and continues to live in the home as their primary residence.

You can also sell the home at any time with no prepayment penalty.

However, if all original borrowers leave the property or are removed from title, the loan becomes due and payable. That is the key point to understand.

Q.

Does a reverse mortgage show up on the title?

Yes.

Just like any mortgage, it is recorded with the county recorder’s office. Anyone pulling the title will see the lien. That is completely normal.

Q.

Can you get a second mortgage after getting a reverse mortgage?

The reverse mortgage itself does not prohibit secondary financing.

That said, most lenders are reluctant to place a second lien behind a reverse mortgage. Because the reverse mortgage balance grows over time if no payments are made, it creates risk for a second lender.

It is possible, but not common.

Q.

Is there a waiting period after putting the deed in my name before I can get a reverse mortgage?

No.

If you own the home and it is your primary residence, there is no minimum ownership period required. As long as you meet the age and property requirements, you can apply right away.

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59 Comments on this Article
  1.   Arleen N.
    November 7th, 2024
    Hello,
    Who has the first right of foreclosure on a reverse mortgage, vthe original lienholder, the second lienholder (HUD), or a third lienholder if the loan becomes delinquent?
    Reply to Arleen
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      November 7th, 2024
      Hello Arleen,
      I'm not sure what you mean by "who has the first right of foreclosure." Each lienholder has the right to foreclose on their lien as allowed by their agreement and in accordance with state laws. However, the order of the lienholders significantly impacts whether a foreclosure action will eliminate other liens.
      If a junior lienholder forecloses, any senior lien would not be eliminated. The lienholder who forecloses may become the property owner, but the senior lien would still remain on the property. Conversely, if a lienholder in a senior position initiates a foreclosure, the junior lienholder would need to either cure the default or start their own foreclosure action to protect their interest. Otherwise, they risk having their lien removed in the senior foreclosure action.
      The lienholder with the least seniority often must assess whether there is sufficient equity to justify curing the delinquency so they can proceed with their own foreclosure. In some cases, depending on the loan type and the nature of the default, curing may only involve paying past due amounts on a property with equity. However, if curing the default requires paying off the entire loan, some lienholders may be unwilling or unable to protect their lien in this way, especially if the equity in the home is minimal or nonexistent after accounting for the senior lien balance.
      Hope this helps!
      Reply to Michael
  2.   Bill G.
    March 22nd, 2024
    Despite all the excellent comments above, it is still unclear whether my estate can ever owe more than the stated amount on the DOD so long as I the borrower always pay all taxes and insurance and am not otherwise in default. If the answer is NO, then no further explanation is required. If the answer is YES, then please answer YES, then add the explanation.
    Reply to Bill
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      March 25th, 2024
      Hello Bill,
      The loan is a non-recourse debt. This means the lender and HUD can never look to your estate or heirs for any payment other than the property. When you pass (and since your terminology is your estate, I am assuming that is your concern), the loan balance will be whatever is owed on the loan. However, if that amount is more than the property is worth, the lender and HUD can never look to your estate or your heirs to pay any shortfall.
      Furthermore, if your heirs wish to keep the home, they can keep the home and pay off the loan for the lesser of the current outstanding balance of the loan or 95% of the current appraised value. For illustration purposes, if your house is worth $100,000 when you pass, and the loan balance is $125,000, your heirs can walk away if they choose, and the lender and HUD cannot seek repayment of any shortfall from your estate or your heirs.
      If, however, your heirs want to keep the home, they can pay the loan in full for 95% of the current value of $100,000 or $95,000, although the loan balance was $125,000. And, of course, if your house is worth more at that time, any equity belongs to the estate or your heirs in accordance with your wishes and estate planning.
      Reply to Michael
  3.   Holley
    December 26th, 2023
    My mother recently closed on a condo in VA, and we were hit with a second note. We both attended counseling, but neither the lender nor the housing counselor for HECM loans said anything about a 2nd note. My Mather didn't sign the docs for the 2nd note at closing, and she's in the home. She has asked to review the 2nd note docs via email because lenders also ask for more money after closing. They want to send a notary to make her sign the 2nd note docs, but no one explains anything. The lender also stated they had made mistakes with the calculations on the docs at closing. What can we do?
    Reply to Holley
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      December 28th, 2023
      Hello Holley,
      All HUD reverse mortgages have two Notes and two Deeds of Trust/Mortgages. Your lender should have covered this, certainly in your counseling, but the second covers any advances that need to be made by HUD.
      Your mother should have received the sample loan documents with both the first and second documents at the time of application and again at the time of signing. I can't begin to comment on what communication may have happened or broken down during the process. And I don't know why they would be asking for more money now. You have every right to ask for an explanation.
      If an honest mistake was made, and they are asking her to re-sign and correct the documents, they are within the terms of the agreement to make this request, as clerical errors do occur. They don't typically cost the borrower more money, though, as the lender must remain within the terms they disclosed to you. Suppose the correction they are making now corrects an error within those terms. In other words, once your mom signs the documents, the funds are paid. In that case, the result is precisely what they disclosed or told you they would be; the lender has a right to make that correction and may be required to make that change to make the loan stay within HUD's requirements.
      You can and should get a clear explanation as to why you are being required to sign or pay anything. If you feel the lender is incorrect, you may need to consult an attorney. But remember that if the lender is within the terms of the agreement and you refuse to accommodate the request, they can call the loan due and payable. If you feel that the loan was misrepresented and you don't feel that the required second security instrument was ever discussed or disclosed, your mom never signed any such instrument, that's a different matter. If she is only now being asked to sign it, and that makes the loan no longer acceptable, and you would like to know how to nullify the loan, you would need to speak with your attorney to determine what grounds would need to be established that would allow such an action. You could always pay it off, but that would come with costs. I can't give you legal advice, and only an attorney who has reviewed all of your documentation can advise you whether they think you have legal grounds for such an action (and I can't tell you what the legal costs would be).
      As I stated, I can't advise you legally, but I would advise you on behalf of the loan to verify all your documents and request that the lender provide the explanation you need. The second trust deed is required for the HUD program, so if you want the loan, you will have two Notes and two Deeds/Mortgages with any lender.
      Reply to Michael
  4.   Paul C.
    December 8th, 2023
    How do I get the deed info on my mother's reverse mortgage now that she has passed?
    Reply to Paul
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      December 8th, 2023
      Good Morning Paul,
      I am not sure what information you are looking for, but Deeds are recorded instruments and you can get those from county records. If you need more information on the loan, you will need to contact the servicer to request copies of her other loan documents that are not recorded. She should have been receiving a monthly statement that would give you the contact information for the servicer, but you will need to be able to show the servicer that you either have authorization from the borrower or you are the legal heir or they cannot give you any information.
      It is important to remember that you must show the lender that you have the legal right to act on behalf of the borrower or the estate and that you are not just a relative because the lender will not release information otherwise. The lender does not want to, and in fact cannot legally, release information to any third party who is not authorized to receive it. Aside from that, the last thing the lender wants to do is become involved in a familial dispute over heirship rights and therefore, they will only release information after receiving their authorization from the borrower or a court.
      Reply to Michael
  5.   Gene
    November 24th, 2023
    What happens If one of the borrower is on Medicaid assistance when the house is sold for more than the reverse mortgage loan balance?
    Reply to Gene
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      December 4th, 2023
      Hello Gene,
      Medicaid and other needs-based programs have no effect on the reverse mortgage, so this is not a question for a reverse mortgage lender. What you may or may not owe Medicaid or other programs depends on the program and its terms. I cannot tell you what you may or may not need to pay back on any specific programs, and even Medicaid itself can differ from state to state as the states administer their own Medicaid programs. Reverse mortgage lenders do not work with Medicaid recovery, and the internet is full of information about when it can begin and when the state can and cannot recover (both against the estate and the individuals). I would not even try to advise you in this area. You should seek the advice of an elder care attorney in your state to ensure you receive the best information available.
      Reply to Michael
  6.   Higgins
    November 22nd, 2023
    What if the reverse mortgage deed was recorded on property the borrower didn't own?
    Reply to Higgins
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      November 22nd, 2023
      Like any loan recorded in error against the wrong property, the lender would need to research how the error occurred and then take steps to correct the mistake. The question becomes how the loan gets recorded against a property the borrower did not own. Was it an error in the legal description supplied by the title company? If so, they may be able to correct it by re-recording documents, or the title company may be on the hook for a claim. Did fraud cause the issue? If so, it may take legal action to resolve the issue, but the first step would be to determine who was at fault and what the remedy would need to be. It doesn't happen often, but liens/loans are occasionally recorded against the wrong property and can be remedied.
      Reply to Michael
  7.   Sean
    September 29th, 2023
    Can my mother-in-law get a reverse mortgage on her house if we have a recorded note (Seminole County, Florida) for paying off her mortgage on that house? We paid approximately $180,000 to pay off her mortgage several years ago, recorded the note, and now she wants a reverse mortgage. Her home is worth approximately $600,000, and there is no other debt (only our recorded note). Thanks Arlo!
    Reply to Sean
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      September 29th, 2023
      Hello Sean,
      The only time there could be limitations on this type of transaction would be if the loan was used for cash out to your mother-in-law and was less than 12 months old. Since it was several years ago, assuming she and the home qualify under HUD guidelines, obtaining a reverse mortgage would not be a problem, but the loan would need to be paid in full at the closing. You cannot leave the loan on the title and record the reverse mortgage in a junior lien or a secondary loan position. One of the things you would need to keep in mind is that if there are any payments due under that Note and Deed of Trust/Mortgage, the lender will require the documentation to see that mom paid those payments in a timely manner.
      Reply to Michael
  8.   Iris S.
    August 30th, 2023
    Beside wind, huricane and fire, are there any other insurance requirements?
    Reply to Iris
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      September 3rd, 2023
      Hello Iris,
      Flood may be required if your property is located in a flood hazard area as noted by FEMA in their flood maps. Earthquake insurance may be a coverage you want to get but that is entirely your call.
      Reply to Michael
  9.   Kimberly P.
    July 13th, 2023
    What if you always pay your insurance and taxes? Will you owe anything to HUD or 2nd deed? Do you receive any monthly statements from the 2nd deed so that the person who owns the home or gets home after the owner dies knows if anything is owed to HUD deed 2nd loan?
    Reply to Kimberly
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      July 14th, 2023
      Hi Kimberly,
      The second trust deed is in place to cover any advances that HUD must make on your behalf (if any). If none are made, nothing is owed on that portion of the loan. This can occur if HUD must advance funds on your behalf because you failed to make required taxes or insurance payments.
      They are forced to advance funds because the loan balance rose above a certain point, the loan was assigned back to HUD, or the lender went out of business, and HUD had to step in and take over, etc. But your total outstanding balance for your reverse mortgage would continue to show on your monthly statement (there is no separate statement for the second portion of the loan, should this occur).
      Reply to Michael
  10.   Nathan P.
    June 9th, 2023
    Hi Arlo,
    I have had a reverse mortgage since 2015 on my 1986 manufactured home. I have decided to sell, move out, and rent rather than own. The sale is pending, with the closing date set for next week, provided that we receive the HUD documents on time. The sale price, S142,000, should satisfy my reverse mortgage payoff of about $117,000. I was just aware that there is a secondary lien on my property placed by HUD. On my monthly reverse mortgage statements, it says that my original loan amount was about $78,000. What I wonder about is this message from the title company:
    '"Record in the Public Records a release or satisfaction of the Mortgage in favor of Secretary of Housing and Urban Development in the original principal amount of $216,000, dated August 3, 2015, and recorded in the Official Records Book...."
    Note: The first mortgagee's payoff statement alone cannot be relied upon as the payoff statement for this second mortgage in favor of the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). A separate payoff must be obtained from HUD or its designee."
    Does that mean that the total amount due is $216,000? My home was appraised at $146,000 in 2015, so I wonder if I received a loan of $216,000 in 2015. Or is $99,000 more due to HUD ($216,000-117,000 = $99,000)? My reverse mortgage lender said my total due might be higher than $117,000 due to insurance fees.
    My loan may have been assigned to HUD, as I currently have only about $120 available for withdrawal in my line of credit.
    Thank you for any insights.
    Reply to Nathan
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      June 9th, 2023
      Hello Nathan,
      Every Reverse Mortgage is recorded with a first and a second Deed of Trust or Mortgage. The instrument used a Deed of Trust or Mortgage, is determined by the state where the property is located and which instrument is commonly used in that state. The first shows your lender as the lienholder, and the second shows HUD. This is done to secure the lien to the lender in the first lien position. Then the second also protects HUD for any funds they must advance on your behalf over the life of the loan. The amount recorded on reverse mortgages is 150% of the home's appraised value or the HUD lending limit, whichever is less. HUD would rather have no dollar amount on the Deed of Trust or Mortgage. Still, most states require an amount, so 150% of the value or lending limit was chosen, but that is not necessarily what you owe. You owe the amount you borrow, any fees you finance, interest you accrue, any fees you incur, and any amounts that HUD must advance on your behalf (such as taxes or insurance you do not pay that they must pay on your behalf).
      So, if your documents were recorded at $216,000, this was 150% of the value when you closed the loan. After receiving your reverse mortgage, your appraised value must be $144,000 based on this calculation (not $146,000). This is not the amount you owe, though. You owe the amount of money you borrowed, the fees you financed when you closed your loan, the interest that accrued on the balance, and any money they paid on your behalf (it sounds like HUD may have had to pay some of your insurance if you allowed your insurance to lapse). From your comments, though. I have no way of knowing your final payoff because I do not know what was paid on your behalf or what the other numbers look like. The final payoff will include any money paid on your behalf by HUD. If they ever needed to initiate a foreclosure action, those costs would also be included as part of those "other fees" I mentioned above in any fees you incur.
      Reply to Michael
  11.   Joel G.
    May 2nd, 2023
    Hello Arlo,
    I read your statement that after a HECM loan closes, under circumstances where both husband & wife are co-borrowers, either can transfer their interest to the other without resulting in the lender calling the note due.
    Did I read your advice correctly?
    So, say my wife wants to separate without divorce. I give her some cash. Can she transfer her part of the home to me?
    I read in the HUD regs that each borrower has to be on title.
    If she quit claims to me, she won't be on the title anymore, only me, one of the borrowers.
    So, can she transfer the title to anyone she chooses after the loan is completed?
    Can you cite the specific regulation authorizing such?
    I am not questioning your expertise but want to ensure the loan stays compliant.
    Thank you.
    Reply to Joel
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      May 6th, 2023
      Hello Joel,
      I am not concerned about you questioning my knowledge or expertise, and I won't refer you to any HUD website but instead to the loan documents themselves. In the case of divorce, one spouse leaving home happens quite often, and lenders do not call the loans. Once you close a loan, your loan is dictated by the terms you agreed to in your loan documents, so your best reference is your Note and Deed of Trust or Mortgage.
      In other words, even if HUD changes its rules later, it cannot come back and arbitrarily enforce stricter rules than those you agreed to when you closed your loan (although it can ease up on restrictions later and has done so in the past.)
      You will receive a sample set of documents at application, so you will have ample opportunity to be sure they contain all the provisions acceptable to you before your closing date. If your loan is already closed, you can pull out your legal docs and review them. If you still are not sure about some verbiage in them and want a legal opinion, you can only get that from an attorney.
      Having given my full disclaimer, please allow me to tell you where you can find the answer to your question. The legal documents will tell you everything you need to know about the loan terms, the lenders' rights, and your obligations. The reverse mortgage loan documents specifically spell out when the loan may require immediate payment in full, as I stated in the Note and Deed of Trust or Mortgage (depending on whether your state is a Deed of Trust or Mortgage state).
      Under "Other Grounds" on the Note, to require immediate payment in full under the Sale provisions, (B) Sale, states: "Lender may require immediate payment in full of all outstanding principal and accrued interest if a borrower conveys all of his or her title to the Property and no other Borrower retains title to the Property in fee simple or on a leasehold interest as set forth in 24 CFR 206.45(a). A deferral of due and payable status is not permitted when a Lender requires immediate payment under this paragraph." This is the reference that you can add someone to the title provided that you are also still on the title and that only one original borrower needs to still be on the title.
      It does not state that they can call the loan if they transfer any portion of the title or that all borrowers must remain on title.
      Then under (C) Other Grounds: Lender may require immediate payment in full of all outstanding principal and interest upon approval of the Secretary, If:
      The Property ceases to be the Principal Residence of a Borrower for reasons other than death, and the property is not the Principal Residence of at least one other Borrower...
      This statement indicates that if the home is not occupied by an original borrower for reasons other than death and at least one other borrower does not occupy it, then the lender may call the loan due and payable. In your case, if the separating spouse leaves but at least one other borrower still occupies the home, the grounds are not met to call the loan. However, if there was no other borrower (operative word is "borrower", not just spouse or family member - must Hello Joel,
      I am not concerned about you questioning my knowledge or expertise, and I won't refer you to any HUD website but instead to the loan documents themselves. In the case of divorce, one spouse leaving home happens quite often, and lenders do not call the loans. Once you close a loan, your loan is dictated by the terms you agreed to in your loan documents, so your best reference is your Note and Deed of Trust or Mortgage.
      In other words, even if HUD changes its rules later, it cannot come back and arbitrarily enforce stricter rules than those you agreed to when you closed your loan (although it can ease up on restrictions later and has done so in the past.).
      You will receive a sample set of documents at application, so you will have ample opportunity to be sure they contain all the provisions acceptable to you before your closing date. If your loan is already closed, you can pull out your legal docs and review them. If you still are not sure about some verbiage in them and want a legal opinion, you can only get that from an attorney.
      Having given my full disclaimer, please allow me to tell you where you can find the answer to your question. The legal documents will tell you everything you need to know about the loan terms, the lenders' rights, and your obligations. The reverse mortgage loan documents specifically spell out when the loan may require immediate payment in full, as I stated in the Note and Deed of Trust or Mortgage (depending on whether your state is a Deed of Trust or Mortgage state).
      Under "Other Grounds" on the Note, to require immediate payment in full under the Sale provisions, (B) Sale, states: "Lender may require immediate payment in full of all outstanding principal and accrued interest if a borrower conveys all of his or her title to the Property and no other Borrower retains title to the Property in fee simple or on a leasehold interest as set forth in 24 CFR 206.45(a). A deferral of due and payable status is not permitted when a Lender requires immediate payment under this paragraph." This is the reference that you can add someone to the title provided that you are also still on the title and that only one original borrower needs to still be on the title. It does not state that they can call the loan if they transfer any portion of the title or that all borrowers must remain on title.
      Then under (C) Other Grounds: Lender may require immediate payment in full of all outstanding principal and interest upon approval of the Secretary, If:
      The Property ceases to be the Principal Residence of a Borrower for reasons other than death, and the property is not the Principal Residence of at least one other Borrower...
      This statement indicates that if the home is not occupied by an original borrower for reasons other than death and at least one other borrower does not occupy it, then the lender may call the loan due and payable. In your case, if the separating spouse leaves but at least one other borrower still occupies the home, the grounds are not met to call the loan. However, if there was no other borrower (operative word is "borrower", not just spouse or family member - must be a borrower on the loan) occupying the property and it was being occupied by other family members or being used as a rental, then this provision could be used to call the loan due and payable.
      The Deed of Trust contains similar language under 10. Grounds for Acceleration of Debt. It again spells out that the borrower must transfer all interest to the property and that the property is not the principal residence of at least one surviving borrower.
      My "advice" to anyone is to read your loan documents and always abide by the provisions. According to the documents (not me or some website), the lender may initiate a call of the loan if you transfer all your interest (title) to the property and there is not at least one original borrower not still on title to the property.
      They can also call the loan due and payable only if at least one of the original borrowers on the loan no longer lives in the property as their current residence (all borrowers are not required to always live in the property for the life of the loan). This is just a lender's explanation of the legal documents. If you would also like a legal opinion, you would need to consult with an attorney.
      a borrower on the loan) occupying the property and it was being occupied by other family members or being used as a rental, then this provision could be used to call the loan due and payable.
      The Deed of Trust contains similar language under 10. Grounds for Acceleration of Debt. It again spells out that the borrower must transfer all interest to the property and that the property is not the principal residence of at least one surviving borrower.
      My "advice" to anyone is to read your loan documents and always abide by the provisions. According to the documents (not me or some website), the lender may initiate a call of the loan if you transfer all your interest (title) to the property and there is not at least one original borrower not still on title to the property.
      They can also call the loan due and payable only if at least one of the original borrowers on the loan no longer lives in the property as their current residence (all borrowers are not required to always live in the property for the life of the loan). This is just a lender's explanation of the legal documents. If you would also like a legal opinion, you would need to consult with an attorney.
      Reply to Michael
  12.   Beverly
    October 24th, 2022
    I am on the deed to my house and my step children have a $220,000 trust note to be paid when I die. Will I be able to get a reverse mortgage on my portion of the deed?
    Reply to Beverly
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      October 30th, 2022
      Hello Beverly,
      You really need to let someone review all your documentation to let you know for sure, but I am skeptical that you have a workable situation but only because I think I am picking up on a couple of red flags in the terms you are using. If I am not reading your comments correctly though (or reading too much into them), you might have a different outcome and I urge you to speak with someone so that they can ask all the right questions.
      But just from what I am hearing, I think you will have problems because of your choice of the phrase can you get a reverse mortgage on your "portion of the Deed". You cannot parcel out a property and obtain loans on portions of it. The loan would need to cover the entire interest of the entire property. If you do not have the ability to encumber the whole property with a loan, you would not be able to get a reverse mortgage.
      Your" Trust Note" would be cause for concern as well. If the loan is secured by the property, it would need to be paid in full with the proceeds of the reverse mortgage for you to be eligible for the loan. If it is some sort of instrument that is secured by something other than real property, then the terms would be reviewed and there may or may not be payments associated with the Note, even if the Note itself does not call for monthly payments in the terms. Again though, only a review of the documentation would allow a lender to let you know the status of the obligation as it relates to HUD's requirements.
      If you are serious about wanting to get a reverse mortgage, you should contact us or another lender and let us review your documentation before you even do a credit report or appraisal. That way, if these issues are definite non-starters, you will know before you spend any money to find out. If the loan can be closed knowing the answers, you can proceed or not knowing the answers and how they affect your eligibility and your loan benefits.
      Reply to Michael
  13.   Becky G.
    October 4th, 2022
    Hello Arlo,
    Do you know how long does it will take Novad to release the 2nd mortgage once the 1st has been released and proof has been emailed to Novad?
    Reply to Becky
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      October 4th, 2022
      Hello Becky,
      Every reverse mortgage has both a first and second mortgage so that HUD is protected with the second mortgage for any funds that they must advance (if any) on the loan. I can only go by the loans I have personally been involved with during the payoff and NOVAD was not involved at all with a release, the servicer was paid and both liens were released at that time.
      I cannot think of a reason why the second loan would be serviced by a different servicer than the servicer who serviced the first. If the second had been transferred to NOVAD it would stand to reason the First had been transferred to them as well and so there would be no lag time.
      The only Beneficiary's Demand for payment in full I have seen have included all amounts required to pay both liens and there would be no emailing of a lien release, etc. to a second location after the first was paid in full. NOVAD would release the lien as soon as the loan/lien was paid, and it would seem to me that it would be very strange that it would take coordination between two servicers to pay off the lien(s).
      I am sorry, I do not want to give you the wrong information. I have not heard of the loans being separated and one servicer servicing one of the two liens and another (NOVAD) servicing the other lien, but I don't want to say it could not possible happen just because I haven't heard of it (it would not be the first time something changed that I didn't hear about).
      If NOVAD is just waiting to hear of a lien release and HUD has never forwarded any funds on the loan, it would stand to reason that they could release the second lien immediately upon confirmation of the lender's receipt of the payoff and the recording of the lien reconveyance but that is just odd. I would suggest you contact whoever released the first and ask them.
      Reply to Michael
  14.   Steven M.
    September 6th, 2022
    Hi Arlo,
    My grandma passed away and had a reverse mortgage. How would I obtain refinancing of the HECM loan reverse mortgage if I am not on the title of the house?
    Reply to Steven
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      September 6th, 2022
      Hello Steve,
      You can't. The first thing you need to do is to gain title to the home if you need financing to pay off the existing loan. No lender is going to give you a loan on a property you don't own.
      If you are the heir and will inherit the house, you should contact an attorney to determine if the home needs to go through probate to have the court change the title to your name or what steps need to be taken at this time.
      Once that action is complete and you have the title to the property, you would be able to do anything with the property including obtain financing, sell it or whatever because you would be the legal owner at that time.
      However, if there are others who also have a claim to the title (a son, daughter, brother, sister or spouse of your grandmother) you may not be successful at the probate court and that is why a lender would require you to perfect your claim on the title before they will lend you money using the property as collateral.
      Reply to Michael
  15.   Sharron
    April 2nd, 2022
    Hello Arlo,
    Parents gift deed to my sister in 1977 but in 2010 mother did a reverse mortgage. In 2010 my sister and I had to sign documents allowing my mother to get the Reverse Mortgage. Is the gift deed null and void because of the reverse mortgage?
    Reply to Sharron
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      April 2nd, 2022
      Hello Sharron,
      To be able to obtain a reverse mortgage, mom has to be the owner of the property. I cannot comment on the Deed that mom and Dad filed in 1977 but I can only guess that you and your sister Deeded the property back to mom in 2010 to enable her to get the reverse mortgage.
      I would verify what documents you signed at that time and the title to the home at this time. Any prior Deeds would not be "Null and Void" per se, but would be replaced by any subsequent Deeds filed after that time. I believe you probably signed a Deed to put the home back into mom's name in 2010 or she would not have been able to get a loan as she would not have been the owner of the property.
      Mom can sign a Deed now from her to herself and you (or herself and both you and your sister) now and this would not adversely affect the reverse mortgage. She can add anyone to title as long as she also remains on title as well and continues to live in the home as her primary residence. But in 2010 if you were not living in the home and old enough to also be a borrower on a reverse mortgage, you would not have been able to remain on title.
      You could have been added back to title at any time as long as mom was still on title with you and this may have already been done, but you may want to verify. I would also have mom sign a letter to the lender which allows them to speak to you and you to them on all matters relating to the loan in case you ever need to contact them on mom's behalf regarding the loan later.
      Reply to Michael
  16.   Christina H.
    January 25th, 2021
    I paid off reverse mortgage, but I cannot get the second deed cleared up from HUD and now I cannot sell until cleared up. What can be done?
    Reply to Christina
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      January 25th, 2021
      Hello Christina,
      I cannot give you legal advice but there are laws on the books that protect homeowners from lenders who do not convey loans in a timely manner.
      If the lender/HUD will not convey the old loan and it has been more than 30 days since the loan has been paid in full, I would suggest that you contact a real estate attorney in your area.
      I do not work with these issues, but I believe that at one time anyway, the law had some teeth that allowed homeowners to receive damages for negligent behavior in this area. I would suggest you contact someone who can advise you and possibly send a letter that would get some action.
      You can always contact agencies like the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to file complaints, but I am not sure how quickly those will be remedied.
      Your congressional representative can also make inquiries on your behalf if you can get through and convince them to do so.
      Reply to Michael
  17.   Melody B.
    November 11th, 2020
    How do I find out who held the reverse mortgage deed?
    Reply to Melody
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      November 11th, 2020
      Hello Melody,
      The Deeds and Mortgages for the loans are recorded instruments but that does not mean that the loan was not sold since the time it was first closed and recorded or was not assigned to HUD.
      You can certainly check the recorded documents and start there. Even if that lender no longer owns the loan, they may be able to tell you where it went after they sold it.
      If you are looking for the lender on a loan for a relative, I would suggest you try to find their statements and call the number of the servicer listed on the statement.
      If you are referring to a loan that has since been closed and you are a party interested in the property, I think the only way to purchase would be through the agent listing the REO for the lender or HUD.
      Reply to Michael
  18.   Philip
    October 22nd, 2020
    Hello,
    I am an investor looking to purchase a HUD backed reverse mortgage note, the original borrower has passed away.
    I have located the next of kin and my plan is to purchase the note and negotiate with the next of kin to obtain a deed in lieu, ultimately owning the property.
    Are there any restrictions with my plan? Will HUD not allow me to negotiate the deed in lieu or will they make me service the note for a specific time period?
    You mention that HUD also uses the property as security, if I go with this plan will I have to owe HUD a portion of the purchase price?
    Any guidance is greatly appreciated.
    Reply to Philip
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      October 22nd, 2020
      Hello Philip,
      I am sorry, but I cannot answer your question. I honestly do not see how you could purchase a reverse mortgage Note as the loans need to be insured by HUD and only lenders approved by HUD may close or service reverse mortgage loans.
      All the loans (or at least the underlying interest in those loans) are sold into GNMA securities and so it would be the servicing rights that would be available to a HUD-approved entity, not the underlying loan.
      Even then, as a lender, you would be subject to the foreclosure laws that state that if and when the loan would go to foreclosure, your starting bid would be the amount owed on the loan and as the lender, you cannot increase your bid.
      If there is no equity, you would wind up with the property but if there was a lot of equity remaining, the chances are good that others would bid against you at the Trustee's sale.
      And again, I am just thinking out loud here because I know of no way for a private individual to purchase an FHA-insured loan in the first place.
      I think you would be more successful following loans in default and trying to bid on the properties at the foreclosure sales.
      If you wait until after the lender receives the property through the sale, it is placed on the open market and at that time you would just need to purchase as would any other buyer based on market value and demand.
      Reply to Michael
  19.   John D.
    June 25th, 2020
    Can I take out a 2nd mortgage with another lender if I have a reverse mortgage?
    Reply to John
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      June 26th, 2020
      Hello John,
      There is no prohibition which would prevent you from obtaining any other financing after your loan closes. Having said that, you may find it hard to locate a lender who is willing to go into a junior lien position behind a loan with no termination date (other than you moving out or passing) and on which the balance can continue to rise if you choose to make no payments. But there is nothing in the reverse mortgage that would prevent it if you do have a lender willing to place the loan.
      Reply to Michael
  20.   Karen
    June 2nd, 2020
    Thanks so much for this information! Now I understand the purpose of the 2nd note. My remaining question is whether or not I could wind up owing cash to HUD on that note. In the counseling session I was told that I would never owe more than 95% of the appraised value at the time the loan was due. If HUD takes over from the lender after that 95% threshold is reached, and the second note kicks in, how is that second note supposed to be paid?
    Thank you!
    Reply to Karen
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      June 3rd, 2020
      Hello Karen,
      You absolutely could end up owing cash to HUD on the second Note but only any funds that they extend on your behalf.
      For instance, if your lender were to default and HUD had to take over the loan and begin making payments to you on a line of credit or a tenure (payment for life), then the amounts owed would not change but who they would be owed to would. They would stop being owed to the lender at that point and would start accruing to HUD.
      And your counselor may have used an over-simplification on the amount owed. You can never owe more than the property is worth since the loan is a non-recourse loan. In other words, the lender and HUD have the property as their only recourse to secure the debt and cannot seek repayment from any other assets of the estate or your heirs.
      Furthermore, if you pass, HUD allows your heirs to keep the property by repaying the debt at the amount owed or 95% of the current value, whichever is less.
      The reason this is an important distinction is because if you just decide you no longer want to live in the property or want to pay off the loan some day because one of your children or grandchildren want to buy it, the lender is under no obligation to accept 95% of the value as a payoff in that circumstance.
      If you are not forced to leave the property due to moving to assisted living or your passing, there is no automatic assurance that the lender will accept a 95% of value payment for voluntary early termination.
      Whether HUD becomes involved or not, the loan is still non-recourse and if the amount owed exceeds the value of the home at the time you pass or must leave the property, it is also non-recourse. Your heirs would have the option to keep the property and pay the total amount owed or 95% of the property value, whichever is less.
      If they choose, they can let the lender take the property and owe nothing to the lender as the loan is non-recourse and the property is the only security the lender (and HUD) have for the repayment.
      Reply to Michael
  21.   Barbara
    April 20th, 2020
    I would like an answer to whether I could be added to my elderly parent's deed and get a reverse mortgage for them?
    Reply to Barbara
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      April 20th, 2020
      Hello Barbara,
      If you are also 62 or over and live in the property, you can be added to title and the three of you can get the reverse mortgage in all three of your names. The benefit will be calculated based on the date of birth of the youngest borrower (you) and the loan will remain in effect until the last borrower on the loan is no longer living in the property.
      If you are not yet 62 or you do not reside in the property as your full time residence, your parents can still put you on title so that you will be on title when the time comes that you must work on the disposition of the home, but you would not be on the loan so you would need to either refinance the loan or sell the house at that time.
      You would be considered an "ineligible non-borrowing owner" and would still have to attend counseling and sign some of the documents to certify that you knew what rights you do and do not have not being on the loan under those circumstances.
      Your parents can always add you to title after the loan closes as well if you are not already on title. If you choose to be added after the loan closes, I would suggest that you have a title company or title attorney assist you with the title change to be sure you do not incur a taxable event (which can happen if the filing is done incorrectly).
      And I would also suggest that your parents write a letter to the mortgage company immediately giving them and you permission to communicate together on all things related to the loan. This way, when the time comes, they already have authorization to speak with you on your parents' behalf regarding the loan.
      This is all advice relating to the loan itself. For heirship issues, I strongly recommend a trip to an estate attorney. The attorney can help you be sure that the ownership of the property passes quickly and with the least possible issues.
      I cannot give you legal advice and I can tell you that many times heirs put themselves into a bind because they are not prepared and spend entirely too much time just trying to figure out how to transfer the title of the property or probate issues, etc. An attorney can help you with all that planning.
      It may be that adding you to title now will take care of that, it may not. Only a knowledgeable attorney can tell you the best method for the laws in the state/area where the property is located and based on your individual circumstances.
      Reply to Michael
  22.   JJ SIngh
    March 15th, 2020
    hi, I am interested in bidding on a foreclosed property at a Sheriff's auction. The property has Reverse Mortgage Lien. I can see two records on county records. I am little worried with two records. Should I be?
    What do I need to take care of before bidding on the property?
    Reply to JJ
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      March 19th, 2020
      Good afternoon,
      If the two liens are the first and second for the reverse mortgage, the lender's starting bid would include any amounts needed to repay the loan in full. If you are concerned that there may be other issues, I would suggest you use a title company to verify that there are no other liens that are prior to the lender's deed.
      Reply to Michael
  23.   Pat
    March 9th, 2020
    70-year-old parent and 37-year-old daughter are both on home deed. Can the 70-year-old parent do a reverse mortgage without daughter's consent?
    Reply to Pat
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      March 9th, 2020
      Hello Pat,
      The reverse mortgage is like any other loan. You cannot place a mortgage loan on a property unless all owners of the property agree to the terms of the loan. The lender relies on the property as the security for the loan.
      If there are other owners who do not agree to the terms of the security instrument (the Deed of Trust or Mortgage depending on where you live), the lender would not be able to enforce the terms of that instrument on just a portion of the property.
      Reply to Michael
  24.   Theresa
    August 25th, 2019
    How do I found out if a reverse mortgage has been filed on a home?
    Reply to Theresa
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      August 25th, 2019
      The Deeds or Mortgages are recorded instruments. All you must do for any property is check county records and liens of record will appear.
      Reply to Michael
  25.   Ramona
    March 30th, 2019
    What if the lender wrote a reverse mortgage for more than the appraisal value of the house? Isn't that fraud? In NYS for a fixed rate reverse mortgage, doesn't the attorney have to be present at closing instead of just reviewing what the 82 year old woman signed?
    Reply to Ramona
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      March 30th, 2019
      Hello Ramona,
      I cannot answer your question regarding the legal requirements for closings in New York, we are not licensed there, and I could not offer a legal opinion. About the loan amount, are you referring to the Note amount that appears on the documents? Reverse mortgages have no payments and the balance rises with the accrued interest.
      Therefore, HUD requires the face amount of the Note to be 1.5 times the value of the home or 1.5 times the maximum lending limit, whichever is less if the state requires an amount on the documents (which most do). The borrower still only owes only what they borrow and the interest that accrues on that amount though and the loan can be repaid at any time without penalty.
      For instance, if the 82-year-old in question owns a home worth $300,000 and the reverse mortgage has a maximum Principal Limit of $165,000 but the owner only borrows $50,000 of that amount, even though the loan documents will have a face amount of $450,000, the borrower only owes $50,000 plus any accrued interest when the loan is repaid.
      The higher face amount protects lenders and HUD should that same borrower takes the entire $165,000 at closing (for instance to pay off an existing mortgage), live in the property for 20 years without making a payment while accruing interest and subsequently have a much higher balance later. But in the end, she still only owes what she borrowed plus any accrued interest (plus repayment of funds the lender or HUD must advance on her behalf, if any, for taxes or insurance that she does not pay).
      Reply to Michael
  26.   DN
    January 1st, 2019
    I recently closed on a reverse mortgage. It was a single lump sum distribution to pay off an existing lien. No future payments to me. My house appraised at. $370,000 so the max loan amount on my docs is $555,000. Is the $555,000 the maximum that I can ever owe on this loan? Even if I keep it for the rest of my life? It's very confusing because the amortization schedule shows the future loan balances go out to over $1 million. Thank you.
    Reply to DN
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      January 2nd, 2019
      Good Morning,
      HUD would prefer that there is no mortgage amount listed on the loan documents for that very reason. The loan does not stop accruing interest at $555,000 if you remain in the home if your loan balance ever reaches this amount. However, most states do require an amount to be listed on the Trust Deed or Mortgage when it is recorded.
      As you point out, you didn't borrow $555,000 and your home only appraised for $370,000 so you didn't even borrow that much. However, in those states where a dollar amount is required, HUD requires the lender to record the security instrument (Mortgage or Deed of Trust) at 150% of the current appraised value or maximum HUD lending limit, whichever is less.
      Since your home's value is less than the HUD lending limit of $970,800, the home's value was used. If your home value was $900,000, then the amount recorded would have been $1,089,788 or 150% of the HUD maximum lending limit. HUD does this for several reasons.
      The loan accrues interest that is not payable until the loan is repaid in full at the end of the term (except in the case of default) and there could be a need on the part of the lender or HUD to advance funds on the borrower's behalf. While most loans do not remain outstanding long enough to reach the maximums shown in the amortization schedules at 99 years of age, HUD simply has no way to know where that maximum will be for each borrower.
      But regardless of the recorded amount of the security agreement, you only owe what you borrowed and the interest that accrues on that amount minus any payment you make (if any). Just like borrowers with a Home Equity Line of Credit for $300,000 who only use $50,000 of their line, borrowers don't owe the entire $300,000 even though that is the amount of the security agreement recorded with that loan. They only owe what they borrowed and any interest that accrues on that amount.
      Reverse mortgage borrowers are not required to make any mortgage payments for as long as they live in the home, but they can choose to make payment of any amount at any time without penalty, up to and including payment in full. So, while the documents have an amount on the face, the amount you owe is defined in the body of the agreement and is determined by the amount you borrow and the length of time it remains outstanding, not the dollar figure on the face of the documents.
      Reply to Michael
      •   John J.
        June 7th, 2024
        Hi Michael:
        I just closed on my HECM for purchase/line of credit with the lender putting in $198K toward the purchase while I paid in $325k. The Note amount was for 150% of the home value or $800k. Was this incorrect since I noticed you said the Note should reflect 150% of the home value or maximum loan amount, whichever is less? Thank you for your expertise.
        Reply to John
        • Michael Branson Michael Branson
          June 8th, 2024
          Hi John,
          The face amount of the Note and Deed of Trust reflects 150% of the maximum claim amount, property value, or purchase price in a purchase transaction, whichever is less. This won't necessarily correlate to the two numbers you mentioned below because I can't tell if those numbers represent the amount of money you brought in and the amount of money the lender provided through the loan proceeds to close the loan, or if they were shown on your disclosures before costs. Additionally, the purchase price might not be the same as the appraised value. If the home appraised for more than the purchase price, the amount would be based on the lower purchase price, not the appraised value. I also don't know if the cash you used includes fees or not. Without knowing the costs of the transaction, I can't determine the purchase price from the information provided.
          If I use just the two numbers you provided, when added together, they would indicate that it took $523,000 to purchase the home, assuming they do not include any costs. When you multiply that by 1.5 (150%), the face amount of the Note and Deed of Trust would be $784,500, but that's an estimate. All I can confirm at this point is that you are correct: the face amount will be 150% of the purchase price of your home or the appraised value, whichever is less (your home is below the HUD maximum lending limit, so that measure will not come into play).
          Reply to Michael
  27.   Barbara Beardsley Brandt
    February 11th, 2017
    Finally I understand. I never had any indication of the second loan when the lawyer for countrywide came to my home-- she held the document and I never even hear about Fannie Mae. I did not understand the significance and when I was using equity to fix the home which the broker said was the reason to take the loan, I realized that I had used my equity. I did not realize all the legal consequences and it is so complicated I assume I have nothing. I was told my name on the deed would mean it was my home and I think that is wrong. anyway, the property taxes are so high here, I will have to leave. I pay all the required items and not even sure my name is on the deed. A trust was involved by Bank of America and I was told I could not know anything about it as terms of the trust. Now it is with another private company and frankly, no matter what I pay, I think it would be smart to end this. I worry all the time because of so many fake statements by the lawyer, so many things that I apparently did not know and when someone is old, they worry all the time anyway. Everything changes and this kind of surprise loan (trust part) should be given to old people. Home when you are old is not supposed to be like this. I did not get copies of any documents but the contract and I want a copy of the deed to make sure what mess I might have made for my son and his family.
    Reply to Barbara
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      February 13th, 2017
      Hi Barbara,
      I'm not 100% sure of your concerns but you do own the property and all you have to do is look at your monthly statement to see what your balance on the loan is, compare that to your current value and then you know what your equity in the home is. You can make whatever decisions you need to make as far as staying or moving, but the second Deed of Trust does not diminish your ownership. You still own the home and you can make your plans to stay or sell the home after you determine your equity after a sale, the cost to live elsewhere and the fact that you do not HAVE to move, it is entirely your call.
      Reply to Michael
  28.   Margaret J. Cushing
    November 10th, 2016
    The 2 deed requirement should definitely be included in the counseling session. The requirement is barely mentioned in the extensive paperwork and can be easily overlooked. It should be explained where it is mentioned and the reader should not have to go the FAQ section to look for clarification, nor should she/he have to make a phone call of go to a website for said clarification.
    Reply to Margaret
  29.   marty morrison
    June 21st, 2012
    This is something that should be part of the HUD official counseling session! I had my session 2 months ago, and not a word was said about this confusing detail. Instead the counselor droned on and on about the most silly things. I stumbled upon it when doing research -can't remember now which website addressed the subject. Kudos to you for explaining it here. People should be forewarned before closing, thank you
    Reply to marty
  30.   Rich
    April 25th, 2012
    well written and extremely informative. Metlife rep couldn't answer question about this...
    Reply to Rich

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