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California Reverse Mortgage Counseling Rule Change of 2017

Michael G. Branson, CEO of All Reverse Mortgage
CEO · 45 yrs in mortgage banking
Cliff Auerswald, President of All Reverse Mortgage
President · All Reverse Mortgage Inc.
3 min read Fact Checked HUD-Lender #26031-0007 4 comments

Purpose

The purpose of this bulletin is to restate and update new California requirements regarding required disclosures, counseling, timing for when certain fees may be incurred on the borrower’s behalf, and when other activities related to the origination and processing of a loan may be performed.


Implementation

These requirements are effective for all California reverse mortgages with applications taken on or after August 22, 2017


Required Disclosures

Prior to counseling, the applicant must receive the list of HUD-approved counseling agencies as well as the required Reverse Mortgage Worksheet Guide and Important Notice to Reverse Mortgage Loan Applicant disclosures. These disclosures are available in the proposal package for California loans, along with the existing CA-required list of HUD-approved counseling agencies. These disclosures must meet the below requirements:


California Reverse Mortgage Counseling Rule Change of 2017


Reverse Mortgage Worksheet Guide

∙             Must be received by the applicant prior to counseling and before taking an initial application

∙             If the borrower obtains counseling prior to contacting the loan originator, the counselor must provide the borrower the copy of the form, and the borrower must certify at application that they received the form prior to counseling


Important Notice to Reverse Mortgage Loan Applicant

∙             Must be received by the applicant prior to counseling and before taking an initial application

∙             If the borrower obtains counseling prior to contacting the loan originator, the borrower must certify at application that they received the form prior to counseling


California 7 Day Cooling Off Period Acknowledgement

∙             Must be received by the applicant at the time they sign the initial application disclosures


Requirements

A final and complete application cannot be accepted, and no fees may be assessed upon a prospective applicant until the lapse of seven (7) days from the date of counseling (i.e., the 8th day following counseling). This must be evidenced by receipt of a copy of the counseling certificate, signed and dated by the applicant and counselor showing face-to-face counseling was completed (unless the applicant waived the face-to face option).


The following activities are permissible prior to counseling:

Explain the reverse mortgage to the prospective client;

Discuss whether the prospective borrower is eligible;

Provide information regarding the fees and charges associated with the reverse mortgage;

Describe the potential financial implications of a reverse mortgage loan for the client;

Provide the borrower with copies of the mortgage note, and Loan Agreement

Use automated valuation models (AVMs) to perform a preliminary estimation of the value of the property; and

Complete the initial application package, providing the required disclosures either prior or in conjunction with the initial application.

The following processing functions may be performed during the 7-day cooling off period after counseling:

Order a credit report to perform a preliminary credit review of the borrower’s financing obligations; and

Order a preliminary title search.

The following activities are NOT permitted until after the expiration of the 7-day cooling off period:

A final and complete application may not be accepted;

The  appraisal cannot be ordered;

The title search may not be ordered; and

The FHA case number may not be ordered.

These requirements are in addition to the federal requirement that no fees (other than the credit report) may be charged applicant until the applicant has received initial TILA/RESPA disclosures and indicated an intent to proceed. Therefore, on CA loans, no fees, including the credit report fee, may be assessed until both the intent to proceed has been received and the above requirements have been met.



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4 Comments on this Article
  1.   Huong
    October 17th, 2018
    If counseling was completed on 10/1 and the borrower signed on 10/10. What date can we Start ordering the FHA case number in order to be complaint? 10/23?
    Reply to Huong
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      October 17th, 2018
      Hello Huong,
      You can order the FHA Case Number any time after any state-mandated cooling off period has elapsed after counseling and the borrower has completed an application. For example, California has a mandatory 7-calendar day cooling off period during which the lender may not order the FHA case number. The 7 days does not include the day the counseling took place. So in California, if a borrower completes counseling on October 1st, the lender may order the Case Number on October 9th at the soonest assuming the borrower has already completed an application which can happen at any time. If the state has no mandatory waiting period, the lender can order a Case Number as soon as they have received a completed application from the borrower as long as the counseling has been completed and the lender can input the certificate number into the HUD system when requesting the Case Number.
      In your example, the lender can order the Case Number on October 10th as long as when you say "the borrower signed on 10/10" you mean that was the date they signed the loan application because any mandatory cooling off period from date of counseling has already been met and HUD's only other requirement is that the lender has a completed, signed application from the borrower. Had the borrower completed the application on October 9th or even prior to that date, the lender could have requested the Case Number on October 9th.
      Reply to Michael
  2.   Ted Lessler
    January 21st, 2018
    The lender requested and was granted an FHA case number on the seventh day of the cooling off period...one day short of the cooling off period. Assuming the FHA has oversight over this process in the assignment of case numbers, shouldn't the FHA have waited the extra day before granting the request? The result of this error is I now have an FHA case number which is out of compliance with CA law by one day. The lender does not accept responsibility for this error (so far) and an appeal was not successful.
    Reply to Ted
    • Michael Branson Michael Branson
      January 22nd, 2018
      Hi Ted,
      I'm not sure what your status is or what you are appealing at this point. You said you have a Case Number, did you complete a loan? If you have no loan, I'm not sure what you would appeal at this point. You are not obligated to close any loan and if you feel you did not have adequate time to consider the transaction, whether they obtained the Case Number a day early or not, cancel the loan and don't close it! That Case Number can be cancelled and you can ignore the transaction forever or start again at another time if you so desire. If you started a loan too soon and wish to cancel, I would also request a complete refund of all monies paid, even for third party services.
      How long ago did this start? Last year many lenders were operating under the understanding that a Case Number could be obtained but no services could be ordered that would incur a cost for the borrower. On September 21st our industry association, the National Reverse Mortgage Lenders Association (NRMLA), sent a copy of a letter issued by the CA Department of Business Oversight that they issued and called an interpretive opinion letter. This letter was a blank letter (not sent to anyone in particular and was not sent out to all lenders) that indicated it was in response to an email request to people who contacted them and asked them for their opinion of what could and could not be done under the California Residential Mortgage Lenders Act with respect to reverse mortgages and the 7 day requirement. In the department's opinion, the lender may order credit, explain reverse mortgages, discuss borrower eligibility, provide information regarding fees and charges, describe financial implications, provide borrowers with copies of the mortgage loan instruments, use automated valuation models to perform an estimate of value (but cannot order an appraisal) and order a preliminary title search. The state's legal opinion* is that the lender may not order a case number until the cooling off period is over. The interpretation is not signed nor does it even contain a phone number at the end where a blank space indicates one should be listed and states "If you have any further questions, please contact me at ________________.". NRMLA has chose to adopt this interpretation even though this language is not written into the law itself and is not signed by the author. In fact, here is the disclaimer in the letter:
      *1 The Department does not have authority to provide interpretive opinions on provisions in the Civil Code, and therefore this guidance is solely for purposes of a licensee's compliance with the California Finance Lenders Law and the California Residential Mortgage Lending Act.
      Your lender may have felt that they operated within the letter of the law if they performed no other functions on your loan within that 7 day period, you were not obligated as a result of the case number request and you incurred no costs. Any recourse you seek would not be through HUD though because the 7 day waiting rule is not a HUD rule. HUD does not monitor or enforce the state's lending laws. If you did close the loan and you feel that your rights under the law were violated, you may have legal recourse but I can't even tell you that for sure, it may come down to the court's interpretation of the law and whether the lender followed it. But for any question of legal grounds and legal recourse, whether or not you have suffered any damages or even have to demonstrate such damages in a situation like this, I would definitely have to refer you to competent legal counsel.
      Reply to Michael

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